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Bentham's Bulldog's avatar

This is fun! This is pretty much the only substack that is more fun to listen to as a podcast than to merely read.

However, I do dispute the point about consciousness. There are two types of emergence that are worth distinguishing -- weak emergence and strong emergence. Something is weakly emergent if it picks up a higher-order property as the result of the functioning of lower-order properties. E.G. water becomes H20 -- that's a bit surprising, but H20 emerges naturally as the functioning of water. In contrast, I think consciousness is strongly emergent. Something is strongly emergent if its higher level behavior is not discoverable, even in principle, by its lower-order behavior. This is true of consciousness -- if you were merely informed about the fundamental laws of physics, you wouldn't be able to predict all the facts about consciousness, because physics explains behavior -- subjective experience is fundamentally distinct from behavior. If consciousness is strongly emergent, then there are new fundamental laws governing consciousness specifically, and the classic doctrine of materialism is false. For more on this, see Chalmers' book the Conscious Mind.

I'd also dispute the claim that we can't make interpersonal comparisons of various subjective states. There can be objective facts about subjective states. Examples include 'being burned alive is more painful than stubbing your toe', 'me being burned alive would be more painful than stubbing your toe', and 'an infinite number of dust specks cause more total pain than one torture'. This is true whether or not we think that consciousness is fundamental.

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Nicholas Callahan's avatar

Thanks for this. It's much easier to digest these ideas by reading and taking notes. I've really enjoyed the podcasts and I found your metaphoric story and explanation incredibly insightful and helpful. I haven't spent a significant amount of time in philosophy and every time I try, I seem to lose focus. Much appreciated and look forward to season 2!

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